october 2002
Info added since October 2002;

SUNDAY 31/10/02

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WEDNESDAY 30/10/02

Passenger train allocations:

  • 47739=1A02 0505 Leeds-Kings Cross throughout.
  • 47776=1D20 0555 Kings Cross-Leeds throughout.

    Standby list:

    News:

    Thanks for todays news to:

    Steve Kibble.
    TUESDAY 29/10/02

    Passenger train allocations:

  • 47810=1P04 1320 Euston-Preston, terminated at Crewe (810 hauled train from at least Tamworth)/ 1A07 1720 Preston-Euston from Crewe.
  • 47843=1G42 2040 Euston-Wolverhampton via Coventry vice class 86.

    Standby list:

    News:

    Thanks for todays news to:

    Steve Kibble.
    MONDAY 28/10/02

    Passenger train allocations:

    Standby list:

    News:

    Thanks for todays news to:

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    SUNDAY 27/10/02

    Passenger train allocations:

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    News:

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    SATURDAY 26/10/02

    Passenger train allocations:

  • 47750=1Z47 xxxx Letchworth-Par.

    Standby list:

    News:

    Thanks for todays news to:

    Paul Webber.
    FRIDAY 25/10/02

    Passenger train allocations:

  • 47741=1H44 0633 Bangor-MP/ 1D45 1719 MP-Holyhead.

    Standby list:

    News:

    Thanks for todays news to:

    Lee Stanford.
    THURSDAY 24/10/02

    Passenger train allocations:

  • 47741=1D45 1719 MP-Holyhead.
  • 47744=1H44 0633 Bangor-MP.
  • 47749=1G45 Rugby-BNS last night.
  • 47784=1A01 2115 Manchester Piccadilly–Euston from BNS to Signal SY215, Washwood Heath - 805 forwards.
  • 47805=1G46 Rugby-BNS last night/ 1A01 2115 Manchester Piccadilly–Euston from Signal SY215, Washwood Heath to Rugby(see 784)/ 1G46 2345(24/10) Euston-Wolverhampton from Rugby.
  • 47812=1A01 BNS-Nuneaton last night.
  • 47816=1C99 2350 Paddington-Penzance.
  • 47840=1D87 10xx Crewe-Holyhead/ 1A63 1343 Holyhead-Crewe.
  • 57601=1C99 last night/ 1A99 2200 Penzance-Paddington.

    Standby list:
    47761=Crewe. 47770=Polmadie.

    News:

    Thanks for todays news to:

    Jon Cowe, Kevin Melia, Darran Moss.
    WEDNESDAY 23/10/02
  • 47744=1D45 1719 MP-Holyhead.
  • 47792 seen at Carnoustie with 1S03 Walsall to Aberdeen parcels, from ???
  • 47805=1G44 2140 Euston-Wolverhampton from Rugby.

  • Loco hauled: 1433 Paddington-Plymouth/ 1840 Plymouth-Paddington (first FGW turn of winter timetable to be vice HST).
    Thanks to 47500, Jim Ramsay, Steve Kibble.
    TUESDAY 22/10/02

    Passenger train allocations:

  • 47773=1H44 0633 Bangor-MP/ 1D45 1719 MP-Holyhead.

    Standby list:

    News:

    Thanks for todays news to:

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    MONDAY 21/10/02

    Passenger train allocations:

  • 47773=1D45 1719 MP-Holyhead.

    Standby list:

    News:

    Thanks for todays news to:

    .
    SUNDAY 20/10/02 last update 12:40.

    Passenger train allocations:

  • 47780=1A33/ 1A51/ 1S83.
  • 47792=1A60.
  • 47805=1A84.
  • 47812=1M35.
  • 47818=1M31.
  • 47826=1A45.
  • 47828=1A42/ 1P57.
  • 47840=1F13.
  • 47841=1A55.
  • 47843=1A44.
  • 47848=1F18.

    News:

  • 1M34??? Probably 57301 which is at Preston.
  • As with other Sundays, the workings after the first train hauled will probably completely change so I haven’t typed up all the trains each loco should work. The diagrams are on the drags page.
  • Drag observations (to be included in an update of the allocated list one day, this was added on 12/02/06!)...
    Preston: 47812/818/826/828 1510.
    47828 throught to have worked the 1539 to Crewe. Crewe:
    47840 and drag arrived 1740 from north
    47812 and drag arrived next
    47843 and drag arrived 1830
    47828 hauled the 1806 Crewe-Preston
  • 47635 + 47734 were on Crewe DMD.

    Thanks for todays news to:

    Jon Cowe, Neil Curzon, Steve Kibble.
    FRIDAY 18/10/02

  • 47815=1C99 2350 Paddington-Penzance last night/ 1A99 2200 Penzance-Paddington.
  • 47816=5A99 Paddington-Old Oak Common.

    47776=Kings Cross.

    Thanks to John Clifford.

    THURSDAY 17/10/02

  • 47815=1C99 2350 Paddington-Penzance tonight.

  • 47750 spotted outside Euston downside shed (RES depot) at 1740 on a Royal Mail set having apparently lost its 'ATLAS' nameplates.
  • 47737 was comming off the south end of Stonebridge Park light engine at 1745 (heading for Euston downside?).
  • 47734 had been left in a siding at Wembley where failures are normally left.
  • 47818/848/854 outside Willesden Depot.

    Thanks to Tim Casterton.

    WEDNESDAY 16/10/02

    47776=Kings Cross.

    Thanks to John Clifford.

    TUESDAY 15/10/02

  • 47772=1A07 1720 Preston-Euston throughout.
  • 47799=0H45 1500 Crewe Head Shunt-Crewe LNWR/ 5H45 1531 Crewe LNWR-MP/ 1D45 1719 MP-Holyhead.

    Thanks to Spin, Steve Kibble.

    MONDAY 14/10/02

    Passenger train allocations:

  • 47714=1P12 0930 Liverpool St-Norwich/ 1P32 1430 Liverpool St-Norwich (90042 dead on rear).
  • 47750=1H44 0633 Bangor-MP/ 1D45 1719 MP-Holyhead.
  • 47782=1A34 Edinburgh?-Kings Cross from Durham area to ??? (not very far, back at Newcastle 2030).
  • 47811=1Z65 1309 Edinburgh-Paddington (Northern Belle) from Crewe (dep 1808), failed at Stafford - loss of coolant (see 854).
  • 47854 + 47811 dead in tow=1Z65 1309 Edinburgh-Paddington from Stafford (dep 1947).

    Other workings:

  • 47799=1Z63 1147 Inverness-Manchester Victoria.

    Standby list:
    47114/258/750=Crewe. 47703/712=Derby. 47776=Kings Cross. 47851=Willesden.

    News:

  • 1A99/ 1C99 tonight and last night??? 1D45???
  • 1B19 0930 Nottingham-St Pancras was indeed an HST, an ex Virgin one, still in Virgin colours, but 1730 return to Sheffield was cancelled according to 'Ceefax' page 432.
  • 47811 arrived at Crewe from the Chester line at 1210, and later worked an Edinburgh-Paddington Northern Belle charter until it failed with a loss of coolant (see workings list above and 47854). 854 also seen leaving bedford at 2230, booked departure being 2107.
    47811 had been to Crewe to be fitted with TPWS equipment.
  • 47841 went north through Crewe at 1403.
  • 47278 also seen at Crewe hauling 390002 south at 1406.
  • Finally for this Crewe report; 47212 went light north at 1430.
  • 47734 was seen coming off Stonebridge Park and heading for Euston down side shed at 1745. 47773 and two other 47s were on 'standby' outside Stonebridge Park shed with no 67s in sight!

    Thanks for todays news to:

    D7672, Tim Casterton, Jon Cowe, Bob Gibson, Kev H, Steve Kibble, Steve Lee, Roddy MacPhee, Kevin Melia, Pete Murray, Phil Solly, Martin Taylor, Richard Thomas.
    SUNDAY 13/10/02

    Passenger train allocations:

  • 47770=1M34 1839 Preston-Crewe/ 1P25 2218 Crewe-Preston.
  • 47772=1M35 from CARLISLE-Crewe/ 1F20 1847 Crewe-Liverpool Lime Street.
  • 47787=1F13 from CREWE-LLS/ 1A67 1610 LLS-Cr/ 1S90 1920 Cr-PN.
  • 47805=1A44 1025 LLS-Cr/ 1F15 1249 Cr-LLS/ 1A72 1710 LLS-Cr/ 1F21 1947 Cr-LLS.
  • 47812=1A57 1340 LLS-Cr/ 1F18 1651 Cr-LLS/ 1A87 2010 LLS-Cr/ 1F24 2356 Cr-LLS.
  • 47818=1A79 1810 LLS-Crewe/ 1F22 2047 Crewe-LLS.
  • 47828=1A45 1041 PN-Cr/ 1S63 1320 Cr-PN/ 1M64 1539 PN-Cr/ 1S86 1806 Cr-PN/ 1M38 2014 PN-Cr/ 1P26 2315 Cr-PN.
  • 47840=1A55 1155 LLS-Cr/ 1F17 1450 Cr-LLS/ 1A84 1910 LLS-Cr/ 1F23 2153 Cr-LLS.
  • 47841=1A42 0850 PN-Cr/ 1P57 1146 Cr-PN/ 1A62 1420 PN-Cr/ 1S85 1705 Cr-PN.
  • 47848=1A60 1510 Liverpool-Crewe/ 1F19 1734 Crewe-Liverpool.
  • 47854=1A33 0825 LLS-Cr/ 1A51 1225 PN-Cr/ 1S83 1552 Cr-PN/ 1A82 1809 PN-Cr/ 1C22 2120 Cr-PN.
  • 57301=1M31 1723 Preston-Crewe/ 1P22 2006 Crewe-Preston.

    Other workings:

  • 47773=1Zxx Redhill-Kidderminster (Cheshire Railtours charter).

    Standby list:
    47750=Holyhead. 47843=Longsight(out of service). 47847=Edge Hill.

    News:

  • 47802 is now apparently in DRS colours, still at Glasgow works.
  • North West drag times for today allocations not yet known.
  • News archive page with links to previous months news.
  • 1A99/ 1C99 tonight???
  • 57302 had derailed at Bletcheley.

    Thanks for todays news to:

    Chicken, Kevin Melia, Martin Taylor.
    SATURDAY 12/10/02

    Passenger train allocations:

  • 47805 and 47847=1F25 2342 Crewe-Liverpool.
  • 47813=1C99 2350 Paddington-Penzance last night.
  • 47815=1A99 2200 Penzance-Paddington last night.
  • 47840=1A22 0640 Carlisle-Milton Keynes from Preston-CREWE via WBQ/ 1F24 2229 Crewe-Liverpool.
  • 47841=1P25 2238 Crewe-Preston.
  • 47854=1F23 2137 Crewe-Liverpool.

    Other workings:

  • 47759=1Z45 Nottingham-BTM.
  • 47799=1Z62 Manchester Victoria-Inverness (VSOE).

    Standby list:
    47709=Carlisle Kingmoor. 47732=Craigentinny. 47776=Newcastle/Kings Cross. 47785=Polmadie. 47812=Preston. 47818=Longsight. 47826=Eastleigh. 47828=Preston. 47843=Longsight. 47848=Longsight.

    News:

  • 47703 ran light engine to Cricklewood today to collect 47712 which had failed prior to working the ECS from Cricklewood-St Pancras for 1F48 yesterday. A Freightliner 66 hauled the ECS instead, and 47703 worked 1F48. Will this train be an HST next week???

    Thanks for todays news to:

    John Clifford, Jon Cowe, Steve Kibble, John Lancaster, Kevin Melia, Ian Saunders, Martin Taylor.
    FRIDAY 11/10/02

    Passenger train allocations:

  • 47703=1F48 1730 St Pancras-Sheffield.
  • 47712=1B19 0930 Nottingham-St Pancras.
  • 47750=1H44 0633 Bangor-MP/ 1D45 1719 MP-Holyhead.
  • 47787=1Axx 1605 Lancaster-Euston.
  • 47812=1S94 1830 Euston-Glasgow from south of Weedon-Preston (possibly further).
  • 47813=1C99 2350 Paddington-Penzance tonight.
  • 47815=1C99 last night/ 1A99 2200 Penzance-Paddington.
  • 47832=1A99 2200 Penzance-Paddington last night.

    Other workings:

  • 47635=8H56 0940 Peterborough-Tallington/ 8H51 1140 Tallington-Peterborough.
  • 47736/47791=1Z14 0451 Eastleigh-Hither Green via Lymington Pier,Southampton,Woking,Wimbledon Park,Staines,Waterloo,Brixton.
  • 47741=0Z14 Toton-Lovers Walk/ dead in tow on 6M43 Lovers Walk-Derby behind 66013.
  • 47749=7P58 0540 Basford Hall-Carnforth/ 0P58 Carnforth-Basford Hall.
  • 47756=1C06.
  • 47759 and 47790=dead in tow? on 6M44 1230 Eastleigh-Wembley.
  • 47781=0U79 Hither Green-Stewarts Lane/ 5Y91 Stewarts Lane-Victoria/ 1Y91 0940 Vicoria-Hove/ 1xxx Hove-Victoria.
  • 47799=1Z62 0628 Paddington-Fort William, to Warrington via Bedford/ 0Z62 Warrington-Crewe.
  • 47805=5H05 2228 Preston-Longsight.

    Standby list:
    47725=Crewe. 47732=Craigentinny. 47734=Willesden. 47739=Doncaster. 47770=Banbury. 47776=Newcastle. 47782=Kings Cross. 47785=Polmadie. 47786=Motherwell. 47798=Newton Abbot.

    News:

  • Not previously mentioned is the diagram for the First North Western Class 47 working. It is:
    5H44 0550 Holyhead CMD-Bangor (arr 0625)
    1H44 0633 Bangor-Manchester Piccadilly (arr 0856)
    5K44 0857 Manchester Piccadilly-Crewe Carriage Sidings (arr 0949)
    5H45 1531 Crewe-Manchester Piccadilly (arr 1718)
    1D45 1719 Manchester Piccadilly-Holyhead (arr 2010)
    5D45 2110 Holyhead-Holyhead CMD.
  • Ex-Virgin ILRA loco 47747 is now in EWS livery, and apparently named ‘Florence Nightingale’. Since the early 90’s it has carried several names, beginning with 'Caerphilly Castle Castell Caerfilli', as 47615, then ‘Res Publica’ when renumbered to 47747 as a Res loco, and after that was renamed Graham Farish (at Poole) when painted into Virgin livery in 2000.
  • 47810 currently having an exam at Willesden, and having batteries replaced. Expected back in traffic next week. Also at Willesden are 47805, 47851, and 47854. 47805 was later at Preston.
  • Freightliner information for today to be added at the next update (which MAY be on Saturday).

    Thanks for todays news to:

    Bill-Brush, Lee, Trevor, John Clifford, Jon Cowe, Neil Curzon, John Foston, Roddy MacPhee, Kevin Melia, Ian Saunders, P.Solly, Neil Walkling, David Wood.
    THURSDAY 10/10/02

    Passenger train allocations:

  • 47703=1B19 0930 Nottingham-St Pancras.
  • 47712=1F48 1730 St Pancras-Sheffield.
  • 47750=1H44 0633 Bangor-MP/ 1D45 1719 MP-Holyhead.
  • 47813=1A99 last night from Plymouth-Paddington.
  • 47815=1C99 2350 Paddington-Penzance tonight.
  • 47830=1C99 last night/ 1A99 2200 Penzance-Paddington.
  • 47832=1A99 2200 Penzance-Paddington LAST night to Plymouth (813 forward).

    Other workings:

  • 47212=0Z25 Rugby-Stoke.
  • 47270=0Z60 Cricklewood-Rugby/ on 0Z25???/ 4Z47 Stoke-Cricklewood.
  • 47279=6M16 Southampton Docks-Crewe Gresty Lane.
  • 47289 and 57004=4O54 Leeds-Southampton Maritime (dead in tow?)
  • 47292=4K58 Seaforth-Basford Hall/ 4F74 Basford Hall-???
  • 47303=0Z63 Doncaster-Leeds FLT.
  • 47488=2Z31 Derby-Skegness(anyone know what this train is?)
  • 47635=7H84 1751 Doncaster-Peterborough/ 7M15 0147 Peterborough-Toton.
  • 47725=5Z64 Yeovil Pen Mill-Bristol West Junction.
  • 47733=dead in tow on 6E89 1907 Mossend-Immingham between Millerhill and Tyne Yard (began last night).
  • 47736/47791=1Z14 0612 Westbury-Eastleigh via Yeovil, Weymouth, Yeovil, Salisbury, Soton, Portsmouth.
  • 47741/47760=0Z12 TO-Derby/ 1Z18 0748 Derby RTC-Derby RTC via Burton,Banbury,High Wycombe,Old Oak,Kensington return the same route.
  • 47749=0D36 0549 Bescot-Burton/ 6P17 1132 Burton-Toton/ 6G77 1216 Toton-Bescot.
  • 47773=8H56 Peterborough-???
  • 47781=0U80 Hither Green-Stewarts Lane/ 5Y46 1023 Stewats Lane-Victoria/ 1Y46 1121 Vicoria-Folkestone Harbour (VSOE)/ dead on rear 1Y44 1448 Folkestone-Victoria.
  • 47787=5Z69 0050 Oxley-Tyseley/ 0Z96 0230 Tyseley-Saltley/ 0Z20 0900 Saltley-Crewe.
  • 47790=5X61 0230 Chester-Eastleigh.
  • 47793=6A01 trip at Aberdeen/ 0Z12 Aberdeen-Laurencekirk/ 6Z13 1020 return/ 6D83 1545 Aberdeen-Mossend.
  • 47798=1O02 0142 Willesden-Dover/ 5M02 0440 Dover-Euston Down Sdgs/ 5V33 1140 Euston Down Sdgs-Willesden/ 1V33 1558 Willesden-Plymouth.

    Standby list:
    47150/197/224=Crewe Gresty Lane. 47303/358=Basford Hall. 47309=Ipswich. 47701=Derby. 47709=Carlisle. 47732=Craigentinny. 47734=Stonebridge Park. 47739=Doncaster. 47756=Newton Abbot. 47770=Banbury. 47776=Newcastle. 47782=Kings Cross. 47785=Polmadie. 47787=Saltley. 47792=Crewe. 47805=Polmadie. 47812=Rugby. 47841=Stoke. 47843=Preston. 47854=Willesden.

    Out of service:
    47355=Derby. 47370=Crewe. 47710=Derby. 47726/727=Toton. 47733=Tyne Yard. 47737/757=Barton Hill. 47744/746/758/761/780/789/799=Crewe. 47759/784=Eastleigh. 47767/772/786=Motherwell. 47778=Toton.

    News:

  • 47733 is dead in tow on 6E89 (see above) because it failed on Monday before working a charter train south from Edinburgh, and is being towed back south for repairs, although an air leak on 6E89 has caused a lengthy delay to the train between Stenton between Drem.
  • 47790 worked to Birkenhead on the Merseyrail system and then to Chester last night, see yesterdays news. This probably involved moving some stored Class 508 units, as it worked again to Eastleigh this morning.
  • There are rumours that the Midland Mainline Class 47 hauled turn, 1B19 and 1F48 may continue for another two weeks, until 25th October as the replacement HST’s have not yet been released from refurbishment.
  • 47832 hauled 1A99 2200 Penzance-Paddington last night to Plymouth, where 47813 hauled the train forward to Paddington. 47832 is now at Laira, and surprisingly 57601 is now at Old Oak Common.
  • 47781 did indeed work 1Y46 1121 Vicoria-Folkestone Harbour VSOE as predicted earlier.
  • 47709 is still at Carlisle Kingmoor, as a driver trainer for DRS.

    Thanks for todays news to:

    Bill-Brush, Tim Casterton, Jon Cowe, Luke Harmer, Gordon Hopkinson, Roddy MacPhee, Kevin Melia.
    WEDNESDAY 09/10/02

    Passenger train allocations:

  • 47703=1F48 1730 St Pancras-Sheffield.
  • 47712=1B19 0930 Nottingham-St Pancras.
  • 47750=1H44 0633 Bangor-MP/ 1D45 1719 MP-Holyhead.
  • 47782=1E15 1355 Edinburgh-Kings Cross from Hitchin to Kings Cross.
  • 47816=1A99 last night.
  • 47830=1C99 2350 Paddington-Penzance tonight.
  • 47832=1C99 last night/ 1A99 2200 Penzance to Plymouth (813 forward).

    Other workings:

  • 47725=5M91 0305 Willesden-Euston Down Sdgs/ 5V17 1023 Euston Down Sdgs-Old Oak Common.
  • 47733=dead in tow on 6E89 1907 Mossend-Immingham between Millerhill and Tyne Yard.
  • 47734=5M99 1808 St Blazey-Plymouth/ 1M99 2211 Plymouth-Willesden.
  • 47736/47791=1Z14 Salisbury-Westbury via Reading,Basingstoke,Salisbury,Westbury,Bath Spa,Frome,Merehead.
  • 47741/47760=0Z14 TO-Derby.
  • 47749=6D36 0549 Bescot-Burton/ 6P17 1132 Burton-Toton/ 6G77 1216 Toton-Bescot.
  • 47757 dead in tow (670xx hauling)=5V20 0426 Willesden-Barton Hill (757 suffering low power).
  • 47781=0Z83 HG-Stewarts Lane/ 5Z82 0823 Stewarts Lane-Victoria/ 1Z82 0835 Victoria-Bath Spa VSOE???
  • 47790=dead in tow on 5K90 0347 Willesden-Crewe/ 5P60 1930 Warrington-Birkenhead/ 5X61 2255 Birkenhead-Chester. .
  • 47792=6M23 Toton-Castleton/ 6M24 Castleton-Toton.
  • 47793=6A30 1036 Mossend-Aberdeen.

    Standby list:
    47732=Craigentinny. 47739=Newcastle. 47756=Newton Abbot. 47770=Banbury. 47772=Carstairs. 47776=Doncaster. 47782=Kings Cross. 47787=Rugby.

    News:

  • It seems that Voyagers are allergic to salt water and are breaking down when being subjected to it around the Dawlish Coast. Oh well!

    Thanks for todays news to:

    Bill-Brush, John Clifford, Steve Kibble, Roddy MacPhee.
    TUESDAY 08/10/02

    Passenger train allocations:

  • 47703=1B19 0930 Nottingham-St Pancras.
  • 47712=1F48 1730 St Pancras-Sheffield.
  • 47750=1H44 0633 Bangor-MP/ 1D45 1719 MP-Holyhead.
  • 47787=1A32 0640 Carlisle-Euston from Lancaster-Euston.
  • 47816=1C99 last night/ 1A99 2200 Penzance-Paddington.
  • 47830=1A99 last night.
  • 47832=1C99 2350 Paddington-Penzance tonight.

    Other workings:

  • 47725=1L90 0010 Willesden-Norwich/ 1M62 2159 Norwich-Willesden.
  • 47726=7M15 Peterborough-???
  • 47736/47791=1Z14 0747 Bournemouth-Salisbury via Exeter (SERCO test train).
  • 47741/47760=0Z14 Toton-Derby RTC/ 1Z14 0746 Derby RTC-Brownhills-Derby.
  • 47756=6O74 0110 Bescot-Hoo Junction (from Bescot-Willesden)/ 1V33 Willesden-??? parcels.
  • 47773=8H56 0940 Peterborough-Tallington.
  • 47781=7O22 Hoo Junction-Temple Mills/ 7L39 return??
  • 47792=7X14 2307 Derby-Chart Leacon last night/ 6M43 1105 Chart Leacon-Derby.

    Standby list:
    47732=Craigentinny. 47734=St Blazey/Newton Abbot. 47737/746=Crewe. 47739=Newcastle. 47749=BNS/Saltley. 47757=Barton Hill. 47770=Banbury. 47772=Carstairs. 47776=Doncaster. 47782=Kings Cross. 47785=Polmadie. 47790=Old Oak Common. 47798=Stonebridge Park. 47851=Willesden.

    Out of service(and reason if known):
    47727=Toton(special tests). 47733=Millerhill(awaiting test run). 47744=Crewe(ETH fault). 47746=Basford Hall. 47758=Crewe. 47759=Eastleigh(exam). 47761=Crewe(traction motors). 47767=Motherwell. 47778=Toton(maintenance). 47780=Crewe(exam). 47784=Eastleigh. 47786=Polmadie(brakes). 47789=Crewe(fire). 47811=Crewe(TPWS).

    News:

  • 47787 left Euston light engine after 17:30 after hauling a West Coast train to Euston earlier in the day.
  • 47790 was in Euston Downside shed at the same time on a set of Royal Mail carriages (5O90???).
  • 47's in the ATLO Willesden based standby pool: 47805, 47810, 47812, 47818, 47826, 47828, 47840, 47841, 47843, 47847, 47848, 47851 and 47854.
  • 47839 and 47853 are both still in the ILRA pool, 47839 thought to have had a test run after repairs (to join ATLO pool???) and 853 is out of service with a main generator fault.
  • Awaiting conversion to 57's are 47806, 47807, 47814, 47817, 47822, 47831, 47844, and ex FGW 47846. Of course 47827 and 47845 have already been converted with ex Riviera trains 47705 also undergoing conversion.

    Thanks for todays news to:

    Bill-Brush, Tim Casterton, Jon Cowe, Roddy MacPhee, Kevin Melia.
    MONDAY 07/10/02

    Passenger train allocations:

  • 47703=1F48 1730 St Pancras-Sheffield.
  • 47712=1B19 0930 Nottingham-St Pancras.
  • 47750=1H44 0633 Bangor-MP/ 1D45 1719 MP-Holyhead.
  • 47816=1C99 2350 Paddington-Penzance tonight.
  • 47830=1C99 last night/ 1A99 2200 Penzance-Paddington.
  • 47832=1A99 last night.
  • 47848=1M11 Glasgow-Euston sleeper from Preston-Crewe this morning.

    Standby list:
    47772/787=Crewe.

    News:

  • The last two class 47/8’s remaining in the ILRA ‘cross country’ class 47 pool – 47839 and 47853 are thought to be out of use now, and will either be sold or sent to Loughborough. All other 47/8’s still in use for Virgin are in the ATLO pool, based at Willesden
  • 47741 and 47760 were at St Pancras this morning on a SERCO test train, leaving the station at 10:35.
  • 57012 and 47309 (dead in tow or double heading?) were seen on a Lawley St-Ipswich(?) Freightliner this evening.

    Thanks for todays news to:

    Tim Casterton, Jon Cowe, David Guy, TMM, Kevin Melia.
    SUNDAY 06/10/02

    Passenger train allocations:

  • 47772=1M35 1632 Preston-Crewe/ 1F19 1734 Crewe-Liverpool.
  • 47787=1M31 1428 Glasgow-Crewe/ 1P22 2006 Crewe-Preston.
  • 47805=1A45 1041 PN-Crewe/ 1S63 1320 Crewe-PN/ 1M64 1539 PN-Crewe/ 1S86 1806 Crewe-PN/ 1M38 2014 PN-Crewe/ 1P26 2315 Crewe-PN.
  • 47818=1A44 1025 LLS-Crewe/ 1F15 1249 Crewe-LLS/ 1A72 1710 LLS-Crewe/ 1F21 1947 Crewe-LLS.
  • 47826=1A57 1340 LLS-Crewe/ 1F18 1651 Crewe-LLS/ 1A87 2010 LLS-Crewe/ 1F24 2356 Crewe-LLS.
  • 47828=1A33 0825 LLS-Crewe/ 1A51 1225 PN-Crewe/ 1S83 1552 Crewe-PN/ 1A82 1809 PN-Crewe/ 1C22 2120 Crewe-PN.
  • 47830=1C99 2350 Paddington-Penzance.
  • 47832=1A99 2200 Penzance-Paddington.
  • 47840=1A55 1155 LLS-Crewe/ 1F17 1450 Crewe-LLS/ 1A79 1810 LLS-Crewe/ 1F22 2047 Crewe-LLS.
  • 47841=1A42 0850 PN-Crewe/ 1P57 1146 Crewe-PN/ 1A62 1420 PN-Crewe/ 1S85 1705 Crewe-PN.
  • 47843=1A60 1510 LLS-Crewe/ 1F19 1734 Crewe-LLS/ 1A84 1910 LLS-Crewe/ 1F23 2153 Crewe-LLS.
  • 47848=1F13 10xx RUGBY-Liverpool/ 1A67 1610 LLS-Crewe/ 1S90 1920 Crewe-PN.
  • 57301=1M34 1839 Preston-Crewe/ 1P25 2218 Crewe-Preston.

    Other workings:

  • 47812=5F13 Oxley-Milton Keynes (then became standby loco).

    Standby list:
    47746=Cardiff(on decision). 47750=Holyhead. 47772=Preston. 47782=Kings Cross.

    News:

  • Just one class 57 managed to work on the drags yesterday, 57301 working two trips, but 47787 worked from Glasgow to Crewe on a West Coast train to make up for it. This was due to a shortage of 47’s in the north west, so 787 was added to the front of the train, the class 87 being hauled dead in tow to Crewe.

    Thanks for todays news to:

    Chicken, John Clifford, Jon Cowe, Kevin Melia.
    SATURDAY 05/10/02

    Passenger train allocations:

  • 47826=1F24.
  • 47828=1F23.
  • 47840=1F25.
  • 47841=1P25.

    Standby list:

  • 47635=0403 0Z70 Port Clarence-Thornaby TMD.

    Standby list:
    47772/798=Crewe. 47782=Kings Cross. 47812=Saltley. 47828=Stafford.

    News:

    Thanks for todays news to:

    Chicken, Martin Brigham, John Clifford, Jon Cowe, Kevin Melia.
    FRIDAY 04/10/02

    Passenger train allocations:

  • 47703=1B19 0930 Nottingham-St Pancras.
  • 47712=1F48 1730 St Pancras-Sheffield.
  • 47750=1H44 0633 Bangor-Manchester/ 1D45 1719 MP-Holyhead.
  • 47816=1C99 2350 Paddington-Penzance last night/ 1A99 2200 Penzance-Paddington.
  • 47832=1C99 2350 Paddington-Penzance tonight.
  • 47841=1M22 0936 Glasgow-Euston from Stafford to ???

    Other workings:

  • 47635 and 60021(dead in tow)=2340 6Z70 Toton-Port Clarence.

    Standby list:
    47725=Stonebridge Park. 47805/10/51/4=Willesden.

    News:

  • 47790 worked a VSOE train from London Victoria at 11:55am today.

    Thanks for todays news to:

    Martin Brigham, Tim Casterton, Jon Cowe, Steve Kibble, Kevin Melia, Steve Rogers, Phil Solly.
    THURSDAY 03/10/02

    Passenger train allocations:

  • 47488=1F48 1730 St Pancras-Sheffield.
  • 47712?=1Bxx 0830 Nottingham-St Pancras.
  • 47750=1H44 0633 Bangor-Manchester/ 1D45 1719 MP-Holyhead.
  • 47830=1C99 2350 Paddington-Penzance last night/ 1A99 2200 Penzance-Paddington.
  • 47832=1A99 2200 Penzance-Paddington last night.

    Standby list:

    News:

  • 47761 (mentioned yesterday as being on decision) is currently in the yard at Chester station.
  • 47811 was being moved to Crewe yesterday to be fitted with TPWS.
  • 1C99 tonight?
  • 1B19 was an HST as the 47 hauled the 0830 from Nottingham.
  • The few winter diagrams are now available (including drags), CLICK HERE

    Thanks for todays news to:
    WEDNESDAY 02/10/02

    Passenger train allocations:

  • 47488=1B19 0930 Nottingham-St Pancras.
  • 47712=1F48 1730 St Pancras-Sheffield.
  • 47750=1H44 0633 Bangor-Manchester/ 1D45 1719 MP-Holyhead.
  • 47830=1C99 2350 Paddington-Penzance.
  • 47832=1C99 2350 Paddington-Penzance last night/ 1A99 2200 Penzance-Paddington.

    Standby list:
    47772=Saltley. 47773/782=Peterborough. 47786=Polmadie. 47787=Crewe.

    News:

  • 47635 with 56006 past Chesterfield at 1625 on their way to Barrow Hill.
  • 47761 and 47789 are now on decision. 761 had suffered fire damage last week.
  • 47811 is dead in tow on 5K90 from Willesden-Crewe.

    Thanks for todays news to:

    Jon Cowe, Steve Kibble, Kevin Melia, Ryan Tranmer.
    TUESDAY 01/10/02

    Passenger train allocations:

  • 47488=1F48 1730 St Pancras-Sheffield.
  • 47712=1B19 0930 Nottingham-St Pancras.
  • 47750=1D45 1719 Manchester-Holyhead.
  • 47781=1H44 0633 Bangor-Manchester.
  • 47816=1C99 2350 Paddington-Penzance last night/ 1A99 2200 Penzance-Paddington.
  • 47830=1A99 2200 Penzance-Paddington last night.
  • 47832=1C99 2350 Paddington-Penzance tonight.

    Standby list:
    47772=Saltley. 47786=Polmadie. 47787=Crewe.

    News:

    Thanks for todays news to:

    47565, Jon Cowe, Steve Kibble, Kevin Melia, Richard Watson.

    Note, the following are the original postings for Weds 30/10/02 and Thurs 31/10/02 - there had been no news update since 24/10 up to that point. Comments originally posted here at the time have remained here, it was a difficult time and the website was mostly a thankless chore and I needed a break... Sorry if anyone was offended by any of the comments at the time, and to all those whose gen was never used, I'm still adding bits occasionally, seven and a half years later!
    It was a turning point, for the better, as the pressures of dealing with hours of editing every day were lifted. As the original type said, it was very much 'back to square one' and a case of rebuilding a following for the website and gave me chance to sort out positive changes in my personal life.

    It will be noted below there are comments about a charter company refusing to use 47s as they cannot sell a coach, never mind a train. At the time Kevin Melia and myself were in talks to begin Compass Tours, and happily we ran two class 47 hauled tours in 2003 and four in 2004 with the West Coast Railway Company.

    the original post for WEDNESDAY 30/10/02

    Apologies for the following. If its been a long day for you don’t bother reading it:

  • Where have the updates been??? Well the usual excuses apply of course, lack of spare time etc etc, after all I don’t get paid for this, in fact I have to pay for it.
    Anyway I have been asked to give a mention to the following new email group (well he asked me last Monday but 8 days late is better than nothing), called CrankRanters it surprisingly enough involves cranks ranting, often amusing to read.

    Anyway whilst I was taking a look through some of the emails sent I noticed the following text on one of them (tour company name will not be mentioned):

      “Saw this posted on the net. Some eejut had asked xxxxx if they had any plans to run any Heritage Class 47 tours, the quoted reply follows;
    "We have no plans to use the 'heritage' 47's at present as we believe that such a tour would be completely unsellable over the next year or so. I doubt we could sell a coach, let alone a full train. Given the number of very major problems we have had with 47's failing on us, we are at present looking at ways of avoiding using Class 47's at all." End of quote.
    Hmm, bizarre how many other tour groups fill carriages with enthusiasts on 47 tours, and fill the rest with normal people as well.

    And the same tour company (mentioned indirectly above) recently sent out a message with their latest tour brochure saying that I will be “removed” from their mailing list as I haven’t travelled on their tours lately. They do say if I send them money I can carry on receiving the brochures.
    Fair enough, this does stop time wasters but I was intending to add a section to this site regarding 47 hauled charters, but now I wont be aware of any of their tours (even though it sounds as if they wont be 47 hauled anyway!!!)

  • And to another story, a magazine editor (who I did give permission to use bits of information to help the magazine a while ago, as I enjoy being able to help people) has annoyed me by completely copying the comprehensive table regarding the current North West Drags page (which took a lot of time and effort to sort out, both this year and last year), and to rub salt into the wounds has then more or less copied and pasted several parts of my introductory text as well (this text was on the ‘drags’ page last year also).
    The white text below is copied from my page, and the yellow text is the similar paragraphs quoted in the magazine, with the bits that are exactly the same as mine in orange text.
      “....are again being dragged away from the West Coast Main Line between Crewe and Liverpool or Preston.”

      “The trains are ‘dragged’....between Crewe and Liverpool or Preston.”

      “Preston-Crewe workings are diverted via Styal or Stockport to Manchester Piccadilly, to Bolton and onto Preston. Liverpool workings are diverted via Styal or Stockport to Manchester Piccadilly, then via Newton-Le-Willows (Chat Moss) to Liverpool.”

      “Preston-Crewe workings are diverted via Styal or Stockport to Manchester Piccadilly, and then continue via Bolton to Preston. Liverpool workings are diverted via Styal or Stockport to Manchester Piccadilly, then via Chat Moss.”

    The magazine then continues with a list of all the workings from Sunday 29th September, which were very kindly sent to me by a regular contributor who had taken a lot of his time to help me post the correct information on here, and as usual neither he, nor myself or any other contributors to this site ever receive a thanks in the magazine.
    Why do we bother?

    To the people who have contributed and helped me keep the site (almost) up to date, took moments of their spare time to email me, and people who congratulated me on the site:
    Thanks, your comments and information were heartening and invaluable at the time.

    To the people who took the site for granted:
    Well.....thanks for coming but you'll have to look elsewhere now.

    Thanks for your attention, and goodnight.

    the original post for THURSDAY 31/10/02

    Well, back to square one:

  • Not quite actually, to go back to the start I'd be typing this now on the original Expage site (which was at www.expage.com/class47list
  • I am no longer paying for the www.class47list.co.uk site and updates on events will continue at times on here. If you click on the class47list.co.uk link above you will see a blank page with the title "The Class 47's have gone.....like this site!!", a pun from the man who gave me the chance to run a professional site which I must thank him hugely for. The original "here one day, gone the next" slogan was thought up for both the 47's and this site as I struggled on with the updates.
  • Also yesterday I said "....the people who took the site for granted", I must apologise to some who were offended by this as some could only take this site for granted, either for personal or geographical reasons.

  • News:
    Apparently 1G95/1D67/1G11/1D82 may be hauled very shortly if a 47 is available, along with 1H44/1D45. How much truth is in this rumour???
  • 47773 worked 1Y46 1121 Victoria-Folkestone and was dead on the rear of 1Y44 1448 Folkestone to Victoria (hauled by 37375).
  • 47736 arrived from the March direction at 1350hrs on a short mixed engineers train. It dumped the wagons in the yard and retired to the shed for a drink.
    Thanks to Luke Harmer for the information, and Forghorn and Jon Cowe for other information.

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    "47806 BLACKPOOL ROCK" THE CLASS 47 LIST 2002